Dietitians, former Herbalife members criticize nutrition clubs, products

Anyone on social media has most likely seen ads for “nutrition golf equipment,” that includes  colourful “loaded teas” or meal substitute shakes with cookie crumbles, cereal or sprinkles. They look good.
The well being advantages and dietary claims look higher. Most drinks are allegedly beneath 300 energy and have little or no sugar. Others can supposedly give brighter pores and skin, extra vitality, help wholesome digestion and assist with weight reduction.
These claims will be tempting for these determined for one thing straightforward to assist them meet their well being objectives, however nutrition specialists say that’s merely not the case.

Many golf equipment — together with a number of in Weld County — are run by Herbalife Nutrition distributors, a multi-level advertising and marketing firm, who usually don’t have any background in nutrition. Registered dietitians and people beforehand concerned with Herbalife say the enterprise apply is deceptive and one thing individuals should be cautious of.
“They’re simply not good products,” stated Katie Kissane, a registered dietitian in Fort Collins. “They’re not good formulations and their (advertising and marketing) ways prey on people who find themselves weak.”
What is a nutrition membership?
Nutrition golf equipment are bodily storefronts utilized by distributors reminiscent of Herbalife to promote dietary supplements and snacks, in addition to recruit others to hitch the corporate, stated Dorothy Blyskal, a former Herbalife company worker.
The Greeley Tribune confirmed Blyskal’s declare of being an Herbalife worker by way of on-line firm paperwork.
Adam Martin and his spouse, Katie, have golf equipment in six states. Aside from their Colorado areas, most of their retailers are within the south, together with Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana.
The Martins opened J-Town Nutrition in January 2020 in Johnstown and “helped open” Simple Nutrition in Greeley and Anchor Roots in Loveland.
“That’s what we do,” stated Martin. “We open nutrition golf equipment and have helped different households that need to begin a small enterprise open them as nicely.”
Weld County is residence to at the very least a half dozen of those nutrition golf equipment. Despite distributors’ claims of being a small enterprise, these areas should observe particular tips set by Herbalife company.
The Tribune contacted six nutrition golf equipment in Weld County for remark. Four didn’t reply to voicemails, and Global Nutrition “doesn’t settle for incoming calls.”
Herbalife states in its on-line rule books that nutrition golf equipment will not be franchises, eating places, meals service institutions or retail shops. Many within the county, nevertheless, record themselves as smoothie and juice bars on Facebook. On Google, they could be listed as eating places, well being retailers or vitamin and complement shops.
Clubs can not submit costs, in any other case they might be thought of a meals institution, Blyskal stated. Owners should cost a “membership payment,” which frequently covers two drinks and the overhead. Martin stated his retailers promote “no pricing,” and stated clients are welcome to ask about this coverage.
Locations will not be alleged to have open or closed indicators seen from the outside, however J-Town Nutrition has an open signal.
Herbalife additionally says products and membership interiors can’t be seen from the outside. Windows ought to be lined to forestall individuals from wanting inside.
Distributors are allowed to promote products, regardless of Herbalife saying in the identical doc the golf equipment will not be retail shops.
Clubs can not promote on tv or radio, as a substitute counting on social media advertising and marketing. They promote their areas with colourful drinks, toppings and drizzles, and use clear cups with their very own logos. Herbalife branding is just not allowed.
“Anyone who is aware of what to search for now can know inside a second (of seeing a photograph) whether or not it’s an Herbalife nutrition membership or not,” stated Bella Jones, a registered nurse from Windsor. Jones was given a pseudonym as a result of issues relating to her employment. “It’s simply getting irritating, as a result of we’re in northern Colorado, which could be very protecting of small and native companies. All of those nutrition golf equipment, they don’t come up and say they’re from Herbalife. It’s all primarily based in secrecy. They make themselves sound like they, too, are native, small companies.”
Are Herbalife products protected?
Herbalife nutrition golf equipment have come beneath scrutiny due to their security historical past, which incorporates hyperlinks to attainable liver injury, liver failure and an elevated threat of hepatitis.
Hospitals within the United States, Argentina, Iceland, Israel, Spain and Switzerland reported incidents of liver injury in sufferers who used Herbalife, in line with the Journal of Hepatology and the Archives of Toxicology. Some of those instances date again to the early 2000s.
Researchers admitted in 2015 that affirmative diagnostic exams weren’t obtainable, however they felt comfy linking Herbalife to those dangers after in-depth evaluations of the sufferers’ well being histories, the strategic exclusion of different potential causes and similarities amongst different instances.
Another examine from the World Journal of Hepatology present in 2010 that weight reduction dietary supplements, together with Herbalife, had been the seemingly culprits of liver injury in various sufferers. Researchers are not sure if the injury was brought on by an lively ingredient within the product or different components. The examine says it might have been brought on by taste enhancers, preservatives, pesticides or heavy metals that had been deliberately added or a part of the uncooked herb extracts.
“To date, Herbalife has refused to supply detailed analyses of their products’ composition and components,” the report states. “This contamination speculation might additionally clarify the totally different patterns of pathology seen on liver biopsy specimens beforehand noticed in sufferers with hepatotoxicity from Herbalife products as each predominantly cholestatic damage sample and acute hepatitis sample have been reported. Our sufferers had findings in keeping with acute hepatitis as a result of drug-induced liver damage.”
Each of the research point out liver injury is uncommon, but it surely’s value exercising warning.
Some nutrition golf equipment market allegedly wholesome drinks for kids. The Cleveland Clinic, nevertheless, warns towards giving kids supplement-based gadgets.
It stated most kids in Western nations already obtain an excessive amount of protein of their diets. Adding extra by means of a meal substitute shake might finally trigger weight achieve, organ injury and impacts to the immune system.
The CDC and National Institutes of Health report excessive ranges of caffeine can negatively affect kids, youngsters and younger adults. A typical 12-ounce can of soda has roughly 35 milligrams of caffeine. An 8-ounce cup of espresso could have about 100 mg, however a loaded tea ranges from 175 to 200 mg.
Meanwhile, anecdotal data signifies some clients have skilled dizziness, fainting and abdomen diseases. These signs started after they began consuming Herbalife and stopped when the products had been faraway from their food regimen.
Are Herbalife products accepted by the FDA?
Herbal and dietary dietary supplements don’t obtain FDA approval and not have to satisfy the identical requirements as different meals or drink products.
United States legislation was modified in 1994, altering the FDA’s function relating to dietary supplements and related dietary products. It now requires corporations to find out themselves if products are protected and that any claims are backed up by proof.
It is illegitimate, nevertheless, for dietary supplements to say they remedy ailments or alleviate signs of a illness.
The FDA usually doesn’t step in through the manufacturing course of until products are utilizing a brand new ingredient.
Companies do not need to supply proof that the products are protected or that they work. The FDA could examine products for “important or unreasonable threat of damage or sickness” or misbranding, however this occurs after the product has entered {the marketplace}.
The FDA cautions customers from believing corporations that promise miracle weight reduction or important well being advantages.
Kissane, who has a bachelor’s diploma in kinesiology from University of Colorado Boulder and a grasp’s in human nutrition from Colorado State University, warns towards using Herbalife. She stated they use extremely processed components and proprietary blends, which aren’t disclosed to the patron.
However, as Martin identified, the method is identical for all dietary supplements, not simply Herbalife.
“The FDA doesn’t approve any dietary supplements, so, yeah,” he stated when requested what he would say to clients who’re involved in regards to the reported well being dangers and lack of FDA approval
Does Herbalife reside as much as the claims made by nutrition golf equipment?
In quick, well being professionals say claims about Herbalife’s precise dietary worth and affect on the physique are far-fetched.
J-Town Nutrition advertises on social media its drinks have components to advertise wholesome pores and skin, cut back the looks of cellulite, promote weight reduction, increase metabolism and are “packed” with nutritional vitamins and minerals. Most drinks are beneath 300 energy, have 15 to 30 grams of protein, have low sugar and low fats content material, the membership states.
Alan Hoffman, Herbalife govt vp of worldwide company affairs, wrote a weblog submit on the corporate web site asserting nutrition golf equipment assist alleviate meals deserts in areas with out “contemporary, wholesome and reasonably priced meals.”
Food deserts are sometimes in low-income city areas with excessive Black and Hispanic populations, in line with the NIH.

Mark Smith is a Windsor man who reluctantly offered Herbalife together with his now-ex spouse throughout his time as an active-duty navy member. Smith’s identify has been modified for employment and security functions.
He stated the product is just not as wholesome as the corporate claims. Most of their dietary data comes from the complement labels, however store homeowners don’t take into account the additional meals coloring, cookies, flavoring and chocolate drizzle they add to the drinks.
“If it sounds too good to be true, don’t consider it. It most likely is,” stated Cindy Dallow, a registered dietitian in Greeley.
Almost everybody the Tribune talked to for this story stated distributors will say something to promote a product. The claims are sometimes half-true or not provable, they added.
“If you eat a shake as a substitute of meals, you’ll factually reduce weight,” Blyskal stated. “That doesn’t imply it’s wholesome. But individuals lose the load, so that they see it’s ‘working.’ Everything else, there’s no technique to quantify it. ‘Oh, my iron is kicking in,’ or, ‘Oh, the tea is absolutely cleaning me.’ How would you realize?”

Kissane shared related ideas, including that fad weight-reduction plan results in failure. Multiple research present about 95% of diets fail and individuals regain the load. This “yo-yo” impact is worse than sustaining weight, she stated, as a result of weight-reduction plan and counting on dietary supplements can have “terrible” metabolic penalties.
Registered dietitians are sometimes a final resort after years of failure, and so they assist sufferers restore their our bodies’ pure processes.
“It’s not horny to eat extra fruit and veggies or to inform individuals to try this. It’s not thrilling,” Dallow stated. “It’s not cutting-edge analysis and all these items that they declare they’ve. They’d somewhat promote a bottle of one thing.”
Are nutrition membership homeowners certified to present complement recommendation?
Most Herbalife nutrition membership homeowners seemingly do not need the tutorial or occupational expertise to make suggestions about dietary supplements, Kissane and Dallow stated.
Both dietitians earned levels — Dallow has a doctorate from CSU in nutrition — participated in internships and bought particular certifications. It’s attainable for individuals to take a web-based nutrition class and name themselves a nutritionist, even with a restricted data which may not meet purchasers’ wants.
“I don’t know of any dietician who would (promote Herbalife) — perhaps there are some on the market that do — however I don’t know of any,” Kissane stated. “Just as a result of it’s a nutrition membership doesn’t imply it’s being run by an expert.”
When requested if he has a background in nutrition or science, Martin stated within the clearest phrases, “No, we don’t. We don’t have any of that.”
Instead, he talked about dropping 65 kilos, which he admits is just not typical, and taking part in athletic occasions.
Health care suppliers and people previously with Herbalife who commented for this story additionally agreed promoting products whereas making well being suggestions is unethical, as the final word objectives of these pursuits are sometimes mutually unique.
“If a product is concerned, then which means there’s cash to be made. You can’t purchase well being in a bottle. It actually must be a life-style,” Dallow stated. “I’ve corporations that method me desirous to promote stuff, and I don’t, as a result of I feel it’s ethically mistaken. I feel there are some dietary supplements on the market that may assist individuals, however I don’t promote them, as a result of I feel that’s a battle of curiosity.”
JOHNSTOWN, CO – JULY 08:J-Town Nutrition is seen on the jap fringe of Johnstown July 8, 2021. (Alex McIntyre/Staff Photographer)
Do nutrition golf equipment have enterprise licenses?
All Herbalife nutrition golf equipment are alleged to be licensed companies by way of the municipality during which they’re situated.
Greeley Finance Director John Karner stated all nutrition retailers should have a neighborhood enterprise license and have to be registered with the Colorado Secretary of State to function. The metropolis, nevertheless, doesn’t have data or say in stock if the products are authorized, which Herbalife is.
In truth, Greeley Sales Tax and Business Licensing Manager Michael Kibbee stated his workplace bases registering and licensing on metropolis code. Nutrition retailers obtain licensure as a result of nothing within the legislation particularly bars them from working.
“If this was ever one thing Greeley particularly wished to handle, it’s technically attainable,” Karner stated. “It would simply must be modified to metropolis code by way of a metropolis council course of.”
Licenses could also be revoked, however that’s uncommon and happens when the legislation is damaged or a enterprise doesn’t observe process.
For instance, if a enterprise doesn’t replace its data and supply sure annual reviews to the state, it may be marked as a delinquent enterprise. Owners have time to handle the delinquency, however the state might revoke its enterprise registration in the event that they don’t. This could trigger issues regionally, since state registration is required for operation.
Do nutrition golf equipment obtain well being inspections?
Nutrition golf equipment are topic to well being inspections in Weld County — regardless of Herbalife’s insistence that golf equipment will not be eating places or meals service institutions — however not all obtain them.
“Nutrition golf equipment serve ice and customarily retailer and serve time/temperature management for security meals, like milk,” Weld County meals program coordinator Nick Trautner wrote in an electronic mail. “Some of those nutrition golf equipment additionally put together waffles and different baked items made onsite. All of which require a retail meals license.”
J-Town Nutrition, Simple Nutrition in Greeley and Front Range Nutrition in Frederick have information of inspections by way of the Weld County retail meals inspections database. They all handed their inspections, which suggests they met primary meals security requirements.
The products themselves will not be inspected for well being or issues of safety.
NoCo Nutrition, Global Nutrition and Smile Nutrition, that are registered with the state, do not need information of meals inspections.
Kibbee stated town doesn’t notify the county when it points enterprise licenses for meals service institutions. The proprietor is anticipated to independently deal with these necessities.
Trautner stated some golf equipment will not be topic to meals inspections as a result of they began out serving samples. This is just not a licensable exercise. These golf equipment, nevertheless, typically transfer to full service, however typically county officers have no idea of this transformation till they obtain a criticism or see an commercial.
“We have change into conscious of some doing extra intensive meals preparation not too long ago, however through the years, we’ve licensed most of these operations as they’ve come to us,” Trautner stated. “If a facility can’t be discovered on our web site, please name our important Environmental Health quantity at (970) 304-6415.”
Can individuals become profitable with Herbalife?
Martin and his spouse assist others open retailers as a result of they know the enterprise mannequin and have seen success. He stated they’re not involved about market saturation.
Clubs will be discovered “on, like, each nook” within the deep south and “all of them thrive and so they all do very nicely.”
He additionally stated Herbalife distributors function two occasions as many golf equipment as there are Starbucks espresso retailers within the United States, although this might not be independently confirmed.
However, numbers straight from Herbalife company in addition to experiences of others recommend success has been arduous to attain for a lot of store homeowners.
Smith stated most individuals spend 1000’s to open their store, together with buying products from Herbalife, giving the corporate a assured giant order. Then, it’s all on the membership proprietor to make that again.
“They’re not making this choice primarily based on logic or some good threat administration,” Smith stated. “They’re doing it primarily based on emotion and social strain” from the corporate.
More than half of the nutrition membership homeowners made no revenue or misplaced cash, in line with a 2016 Federal Trade Commission survey. A 2020 Herbalife disclosure states that about 180,000 of its 191,000 distributors who bought products for resale “earned cash from their gross sales and the gross sales of these they sponsored.” It additionally says that 90,000 distributors earned cash in a typical month.
Of the 90,000 who allegedly earned cash in a single month, about half of them made lower than $3,300. Most first-year distributors made lower than $1,246 in a single month. These incomes values don’t embrace bills.
Top-tier distributors, solely about 600, made $16,000 in a month. Jones stated these figures are normally posted on social media to recruit others, however this isn’t the norm.
Blyskal agreed. She stated it’s just about inconceivable to get into these high tiers at this level, as a result of variety of distributors. Yet, Herbalife’s earnings assertion claims these within the high tier — President’s Team and above — are there due to “abilities, constant work and dedication.”
Indeed estimates the annual earnings of Herbalife distributors to be roughly $1,800 to $2,200 per 30 days. These numbers additionally don’t issue bills.
“Herbalife sells you on a dream, however keep in mind it’s precisely that: a dream,” Blyskal stated. “It takes quite a lot of time, vitality and cash to open a nutrition membership, and we heard of extra closing than those who had been profitable. Think about how a lot cash you’re placing into it and the way a lot cash you’d must get again simply to interrupt even. You can’t, as a result of that’s how the system is about up — in a means the place you may’t rapidly or simply see the revenue or loss.”
Is Herbalife a pyramid scheme?
Herbalife’s enterprise mannequin is taken into account a multi-level advertising and marketing firm, however critics say it’s a pyramid scheme that discovered loopholes in U.S. legislation.
Distributors are inspired to promote a product however can obtain fee in the event that they recruit different individuals — referred to as a downline — and may obtain fee off of their downlines’ gross sales. When accused of being a pyramid scheme, the corporate asserts distributors can not earn cash from simply recruitment.
But the definition of a pyramid scheme isn’t that easy.
The New York Attorney General’s Office, for instance, specifies there are pyramid schemes with products, pyramid schemes with out products and legit multi-level advertising and marketing.
A pyramid scheme is the system of incomes cash primarily based on recruiting traders. Initial promoters recruit extra traders, who recruit extra, thus constructing a pyramid. Those on the high get a portion of investments made.
Multi-level advertising and marketing sells products and providers on to consumers by way of distributors and never shops. These distributors can recruit others and earn fee on their gross sales. Legitimate MLMs emphasize products and providers greater than becoming a member of, the NY lawyer normal’s workplace states. This is just not unlawful.
The workplace defines a product-based pyramid scheme as when corporations use products to seem reputable however are centered on incomes cash by way of extra distributors and traders.
“This is completed solely to sidestep the regulatory businesses, as most state legal guidelines prohibit advertising and marketing practices the place the potential for revenue stems primarily from recruiting different traders and never from the sale of products,” the New York Attorney General’s web site says. “The backside line, nevertheless, is that in all pyramid schemes, the promoting of a product itself is way much less essential than the recruiting of recent traders.”
A 2003 report from the Federal Trade Commission provides examples of the way to spot product-based pyramid schemes, often known as recruitment-based MLMs, primarily based on claims made.
Distributors or traders will describe them as “earnings alternatives,” discuss the way it’s straightforward for anybody and say individuals can set their very own hours and that just a few hours per week can flip into sufficient earnings to give up a full-time job.
However, the FTC warns product-based pyramid schemes will disgrace individuals for failing and never working arduous sufficient, regardless of telling recruits that it’s not a big-time dedication. They could discourage individuals from criticizing any side of the products and the enterprise mannequin.
Additionally, the FTC warns individuals of believing claims that say MLMs can’t be pyramid schemes as a result of pyramid schemes are unlawful. The company admits in its report that client safety officers are normally reactive and never proactive. It usually takes complaints, however distributors could not report the businesses as a result of perception that they’re at fault for failure — not the mannequin itself.
It ought to be famous, it’s authorized in Greeley for nutrition membership homeowners to recruit individuals to hitch the corporate, however provided that the right authorized paperwork and protocols are adopted.
Herbalife has used quite a lot of related ways that the FTC and New York Attorney General attributes to product-based pyramid schemes, a number of sources advised the Tribune.
Smith stated distributors lie about how a lot they make and use their Herbalife rank to again up their declare. He stated that is normally not correct, although, and these individuals will purchase products to remain of their rank however sometimes can not promote it.
Members are additionally identified for making sweeping statements about how straightforward it will likely be and the way a lot cash an individual could make, Kissane stated. Another tactic that raises eyebrows, in line with Blyskal, is the corporate’s strict coverage towards signage on nutrition golf equipment.
“Clubs will not be retail institutions, cafes, eating places or takeout institutions. Because private interactions are the muse of direct promoting, membership clients ought to be interested in a membership by way of private invitation,” the Herbalife nutrition membership rule e book states. “Limited exterior membership visibility helps the one-on-one relationships that distributors work arduous to ascertain, as a part of their direct promoting companies. These limitations relating to a membership’s exterior assist keep away from attracting passers-by.”
Blyskal stated if the corporate’s mission was actually about promoting and never recruiting, it might need to entice individuals to strive the product.
The FTC settled with Herbalife in 2016 for $200 million for “deceiving customers into believing they might earn substantial cash promoting food regimen, dietary complement and private care products.” Its criticism alleged the corporate’s construction was “unfair.”
“It rewards distributors for recruiting others to hitch and buy products with a view to advance within the advertising and marketing program, somewhat than in response to precise retail demand for the product, inflicting substantial financial damage to a lot of its distributors,” the FTC report states.
Herbalife was anticipated to restructure its compensation plan, however Smith and Blyskal stated it hasn’t considerably modified.
In latest years, Herbalife was additionally fined by the Securities and Exchange Commission for mendacity to traders about its enterprise construction in China and executives had been criminally charged for bribing the Chinese authorities in efforts to evade regulatory scrutiny.
A federal courtroom in Miami reopened a $144 million case in October towards the highest 44 Herbalife distributors for claiming others might obtain the identical degree of monetary success. Several different instances towards the corporate are nonetheless in litigation.
The firm is banned in Belgium for being an unlawful pyramid scheme, in line with the Danish authorities.
“Whether you agree it’s a pyramid scheme or not, the form of the pyramid is simple,” Blyskal stated. “The Founder’s Circle, with the least members, is the highest of the pyramid. Chairman’s Club, with the following lowest variety of individuals, is beneath. Everyone else is holding all the load of the individuals beneath. That’s you. You’re not earning profits for you and your loved ones, you’re earning profits in your upline.
“And you’re the final to see it.”
What ought to individuals do as a substitute?
People ought to search skilled care in the event that they need to enhance their well being or reduce weight. Kissane, Dallow, Jones, the CDC, NIH and FDA all encourage talking to a dietitian or main care supplier earlier than making food regimen modifications.
Dietitians and physicians can run blood exams, do deep evaluations of an individual’s food regimen and well being historical past, and decide one of the best steps.
Some insurance coverage corporations could not cowl all dietitian visits, however digital providers will help individuals discover dietitians whose visits are lined. Some suppliers could possibly work out a cost system.
EatRight.org, from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, includes a database for registered dietitians who’ve credentials and assets to look after them, Dallow stated.
People additionally want to recollect actual change takes work and it takes time. Major weight achieve normally happens over months or years, so will weight reduction. Those with different well being challenges will usually must make long-term modifications.
Dallow stated society places an excessive amount of emphasis on weight and that folks want to think about their genetics, power, cardiovascular well being, food regimen and psychological well being. These issues will change primarily based on every particular person. She and Kissane consider in creating particular person plans for every shopper primarily based on particular wants and talents.
“You’re nearly like a detective, in a means, to determine what’s going to work,” Kissane stated. “I undoubtedly don’t have a cookie-cutter method to it.”
How can individuals discover a good complement?
Kissane and Dallow consider dietary supplements will be useful for individuals, relying on their conditions, however need customers to be extraordinarily cautious.
“I feel dietary supplements can play a job (in well being), however complement means one thing added,” Kissane stated. “They shouldn’t be the factor you’re doing solely.”
First, individuals want to speak to a most well-liked skilled who can present suggestions about manufacturers, dosage data and lively components to search for. Both stated efficient dietary supplements will be discovered at Walmart, Walgreens or different shops. There isn’t any want to purchase costly products.
Dallow stated individuals ought to do complete analysis on the products, too. Look at opinions, contact the Better Business Bureau and search third-party research.
Quite a lot of corporations will conduct their very own research, however they usually conduct experiments on animals and don’t share substantial data, she stated. Studies ought to be carried out in a double-blind method on people and make determinations about security and effectiveness.
Products ought to function third-party certification, however Kissane notes these certifications merely point out a product’s components are correct. It doesn’t take a look at for security or efficacy. A complement ought to have well-rounded data obtainable.
Consumers also needs to keep away from MLMs altogether, together with Herbalife, Kissane stated. There’s no technique to actually know what’s within the product, as a result of FDA rules. MLM products usually use proprietary blends, and there’s no public data on precise components or the content material ranges.
When requested about ingredient lists, Martin stated the J-Town Nutrition menu might be discovered on social media however no posts reviewed by the Tribune function precise components. There are retailers in Weld County that present clients with full ingredient lists on-line and in-store.
What is the takeaway?
Trying Herbalife products or promoting them is dangerous, in line with the overwhelming majority of those that talked to the Tribune for this story. They stated there are extra dependable methods to earn additional earnings and higher choices for teas and shakes.
Blyskal stated it took greater than a yr to “detox” from the dangerous rhetoric she heard whereas working for Herbalife. Now, she speaks out towards the corporate, its products and its practices every time attainable.
Meanwhile, Dallow and Kissane urge warning and care. There are not any magic cures, particularly ones that declare to make somebody wealthy.
“The complete cause I went into nutrition was to assist individuals and make a distinction that was long run. I don’t are inclined to need to hold purchasers eternally,” Kissane stated. “I need to empower them to do it, be taught and go on their very own. To see a few of these individuals preyed on could be very disturbing to me, particularly by way of a few of these nutrition golf equipment.”